COLUMBUS DIY

First off, I just want to say thanks to Brian for writing the article about how the Screaming Females are total fucking bullshit. I hope one day they can read this piece and finally admit to themselves that they are a bunch of poser sell outs.

I just came home today and starting reading this. The layout looks really good, to be honest though all I have read so far is Brian's (Duder P. Tailgate) article on the Screaming Females. I plan to read the rest but now I have to go to work, what does everyone think of the alt mag?

who are the screaming females?

I saw a copy of it around, looked through it. Haven't been able to read any of it yet, need to get a hard copy myself. I think it looks really good, layed out really well. Excited to build upon it, more articles, pictures, i'll make a crossword or maze or something cool like that for the next one. Who's in charge of it? Where's the funding coming from?

haven't read. so no judgement on brian's judgement, but screaming females are some of the nicest people i've come across.

I really like it. Plus with it like this it'd be pretty cool too since doing the art is really high demand, so now there can be more involvement in that, maybe someone does the calendar and someone else does the zine cover/back or something like that, and there's not just 2 people working on it monthly this way, it can be a ton of people....

I'm totally down for this, even if it weren't a calendar and just a csbys zine, because most zines still only involve a few people....We should totally do this at least every few weeks, surprised nobody has done it for how long the calendars have been done....

dethforlife wrote:haven't read. so no judgement on brian's judgement, but screaming females are some of the nicest people i've come across.

yeah, but they're still poser sell outs you can't deny that.

livefastdie13 wrote:surprised nobody has done it for how long the calendars have been done....

There was; it was also really fucking bad. There were a couple things that made it past the first attempt but didn't make it all the way to a second one. Now that it's all really just the project of one person who basically controls what happens a few things we failed at before are getting done well.

I scanned it in -

http://banalization.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... nthly.html

The pages are out of order though.

thanks for the scans.
weedsteeler dot com will be picking them up shortly.

the first issue looks great and its only going to get better from here.
rip old meida.

where can i get a real copy?

Think you wrote at great enough length about that, Brian??!?!! For claiming that you don't see selling out as a terrible thing at all, you sure went to great length to bash SF. I haven't kept up with any of their blogs recently, but as far as I'm concerned, if they still play great music, I'll still listen to them. I'm just bummed that they are being blacklisted by people in our community to the point where they aren't even stopping here on tour. I asked Marissa if they were going to play a bigger club next time they come to town (after getting all kinds of exposure), and ya know what she said? "Nah, we'll probably just play the Legion again."
I fully embrace the diy community, and have had a decade of amazing times playing in diy bands that never gave a shit about ever making it, just playing for fun with friends for friends. At the same time, I paid almost $50 to get 10th row seats to see Iron Maiden and Motorhead, and I fully endorse listening to Black Sabbath, and I'm sure many, many people who appear die hard diy supporters also get a lot of listening enjoyment out of those same bands and others similar... Those bands sold out, too! There was a point when they booked their own shows, and then a point where they blew up. Out of the diy music that I listen to, I don't listen to it just because it's diy. I listen to it partially because it's music that I like a lot, and partially because of who/where it comes from. To have a love of music doesn't mean you have to limit yourself to one particular method of getting music out to people. I doubt SF started a band to use DIY as a stepping stone. If they were on MTV and playing shitty music that is more appealing to the masses and not us, then I would be really pissed off about potential gone to waste, and ruining the name of the diy community and ethic, and a whole subculture being uncovered and misrepresented. Green Day and Mr Brett sold out certain brands of punk to the masses a long time ago, and it's somewhat socially acceptable for quite a while now.
I have mixed feelings about the whole SF issue, but they are STILL great people who STILL play great music as far as I know. At least they said "Hell no" to a request to tour with the Arctic Monkeys! Didn't Against Me go pretty much directly from playing the Legion to HEADLINING the Newport Music Hall? I never cared for them to begin with, so I wasn't so upset when this happened, but more or less just acknowledged that these things happen, and it sucks when bands change their sound and project their image from the subcultures into the mainstream.

On a lighter note, it's awesome to see a something from the diy community in print, and people putting an effort into something that brings us together. I haven't read most of the rest of it yet, but am highly anticipating it.

head 2 wall wrote:where can i get a real copy?

we have a few left at the legion.

i have about 7 copies left at my house for whoever wants them. gimme your address and ill mail you one. next month's issue is underway. should be better than the first edition and with better grammar! anyone who would like to contribute or be my slave to do all the grunt work, im so tired of doing at this point, please get in contact. csbys.monthly@gmail.com i will try to convince your comparative studies faculty advisor to give you college credit for folding and distributing these things. also, if youre a whiz at graphic design and layout and would like to teach me, please get in contact.

in regards to the SF article. i hope that my ambivalent opinion on the concept of "selling out" got through in this article. this was partially a humor article, i definitly notched up the antipathy and rhetoric up a bit. for the record, "selling out" isnt such a bad thing as many seem to think. the point of the article was not to condemn SF for their choice. i used to be so hardlne about this then one day i realized "who cares? there are many things more important that actually effect people's lives." it is a trade off and sometimes it makes sense. for example, it is my belief that the world would be alot worse kind of place if black sabbath had stayed an obscure bar rock band. on the other hand, seeing black sabbath in those early intimate days in grimy pubs probably would blow away the experience of seeing them anytime once they became international rock stars. the spectacle of gigantic rock stars can be pretty great as well. believe it or not, i think rage against the machine did more to politicize people than what any concurrent political hardcore/punk band band, like his hero is gone, ever did in the same time period. there is something to be said for that. if there was a central point at all to the SF article, which there really wasnt, i admit it was a rather meandering ill-mannered rant, it is that technology has eclipsed the need for the mediums of the past(like MTV) and once youve grown too big for house shows by intentional choices(like being on MTV), its kinda silly to try to cram too many people into a place like the legion. let the small bands have a stab. it doesnt mean SF did anything wrong(its their lives!) or are bad people. I am as much an authority on this as anyone else on this board and i will always admire career-long DIY warriors like Iggy Scam. i also will not so secretly love rage against the machine.

I have mixed feelings about the SF article, but definitely agreed with parts of it, such as MTV essentially being obsolete. It's kinda funny cause they played on a show that no one's ever heard of, and I was only aware of it because their label owner promoted it on the internet. I've never had a problem with selling out, but I do agree with the article that it's silly for SF to be saying other DIY bands should be played on mtv when no one cares about mtv and those bands would probly rather not be on it anyway. As the article points out, it's not the fucking nineties anymore. Either way SF are good musicians and a talented band, but the cover story had some pretty valid points.
I greatly enjoyed the article/interview with Aaron Hibb on the backpage. To think of hula hooping for 120 hours is pretty fucking mind boggling.

who is sf anyways?
id never heard of um until i saw the paper?
isnt the point of selling out to get famous and rich?
are they driving lam or 'raris?
life is cheap apprntly.

hey guys, im not 12 anymore so im a little behind on the definition of what "selling out" is these days. i would have to assume though that it involves making money right?

the screaming females "article" was one of the most poorly written, stupid pieces of shit, i've ever had to waste my time reading. aside from the insane amount of typos, including in the authors pseudonym (i wonder why someone wouldn't want to put their real name on this brilliant piece?), there are inaccurate facts. Screaming Females CDs aren't even 13 dollars through the mail, from them or the label. and what would be conspicuous about showing up late to a show when you are coming from another show that morning (if they were even late at all, which given their reputation is probably another exaggeration)?

you guys have to be daft to think that screaming females are being "marketed" or whatever the christ you are raving about? are you really comparing them to chumbawamba? you need to take a step back. maybe ten. it must be flattering to them how big you think they are and how much money they must be making, but you honestly could not have picked a worse target for your idiotic waste of space than screaming females.

i can't wait for the next issue of the alternative columbus has been waiting for. just be careful man, all the attention this thing is getting from blogs and message board...youre on a slippery slope already. pretty soon you'll be using spell check in an attempt to make the thing more readable by the masses...

loser.

CHUCK wrote: I asked Marissa if they were going to play a bigger club next time they come to town (after getting all kinds of exposure), and ya know what she said? "Nah, we'll probably just play the Legion again."

I would be happy if they just DON'T. I hate them since they said Brujeria sounded like Korn hahahaha.

the flier sucked

ene wrote:are you really comparing them to chumbawamba?.

obviously you didn't really read the article.

Mickey wrote:

ene wrote:are you really comparing them to chumbawamba?.

obviously you didn't really read the article.

unfortunately i did. or was their mention in the moronic rant about how it "made sense" when they "sold out" not a part of the same thing? then again, what am i talking about, the thing was written by a 10 year old. i can't believe you're even using the word article to describe it.

you mad!

lets not kid ourselves here, if anyone should be accused of writing like a ten year old it should be me.
so get your facts straight.

no one has clarified for me yet who is this band everyone is getting worked up over
im soooo out of touch and confused.

the thing was written by a 10 year old

apparently, that was one very smart 10 year old.

Okay, so SF were "asked" to go on tour with the Dead Weather after the Dead Weather bassist saw them play. This wasn't even a reaching attempt on SF's part to work hard to get big exposure. And who the fuck cares about what they say about Brujeria? They are such different genres that I would not argue the point whatsoever, as obviously they are not into that kind of music if that was a real comment from SF. I can see how someone not listening to thrash/black metal/etc could compare them to Korn. Whatever. Who gives a shit.

Brian, no offense, but I think you over-analyzed this topic far too much. It came across as more a matter of opinion, which is better suited for this type of forum, rather than a print publication. No hard feelings, but those are my thoughts. I don't think "blacklisting" them would be appropriate. Things like this are bound to happen, and there is no need to shun them if all of the sudden they are playing some clubs and some house shows. Good people, good music, and their ethics probably have changed very little if any since the last diy shows they played here in town. They work their asses off for that band. Have you ever talked to Jarrett about how much of his life he puts into everything for the band? Most of it...

Well actually Chuck, I don't think they are that nice, at least some of them were not nice to me, even though I made them food for there last show at the LOD and welcome them, but I'm not going to get into details. So if I don't want to feel comfortable for them to play in the house I live in and i don't like their commentaries on bands that I like and I feel like saying it "I give a shit"

shitface wrote:Well actually Chuck, I don't think they are that nice, at least some of them were not nice to me, even though I made them food for there last show at the LOD and welcome them, but I'm not going to get into details. So if I don't want to feel comfortable for them to play in the house I live in and i don't like their commentaries on bands that I like and I feel like saying it "I give a shit"

or you could grow up.

oh wait are they that indie rock band?

ene wrote:

shitface wrote:Well actually Chuck, I don't think they are that nice, at least some of them were not nice to me, even though I made them food for there last show at the LOD and welcome them, but I'm not going to get into details. So if I don't want to feel comfortable for them to play in the house I live in and i don't like their commentaries on bands that I like and I feel like saying it "I give a shit"

or you could grow up.

somebuddyz angwy

solar funeral wrote:

somebuddyz angwy[/quote]

yeah, i hate that band hahaha.

ene wrote:or you could grow up.

If someone is a dick to me, I'm not going to be nice to them, it has nothing to do with growing up, you love them so much? have them play in your house don't give me shit for not wanting them in mine.

"somebuddyz angwy" was directed at ene!

martin- yeah, this band--> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmybutto ... 671453548/

shit, you're right, I guess I didn't read the whole thing.

ene, reveal yourself.

the band is bullshit. they don't care about diy anymore (and they probably never did considering where they are now, honestly i think they leeched off our scene), nor do they need it. therefore they should not play the legion anymore. but yeah it's totally up to the people that live there, that's just my opinion.

MORE LIKE DOODER P DOUCHE BAG

DOODER P TAILGAIT MCTRASHINGTON,

HOW OLD R U ANYWAY? WHEN WAS YOUR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION? LAST MAY?

YOU R SHIT TALKING PEOPLE YOU DONT EVEN FUKKIN KNOW

U REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE

AND STOP SAYING PUNK SO MUCH

THEY'RE NOT EVEN A FUCKING PUNK BAND!

AND THEY ARE THREE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE YOU'LL EVER MEET

UNLIKE YOU. YOU FUCKKIN SUCK.

YOU ARE A TOOL.

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING.

<3 ALL OF NEW JERSEY

P.S. PLEASE STOP GOING TO SHOWS OR HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

Do you want to define DIY as obscurely as "punk" can be defined, Mickey? (I wouldn't use Duder's "article" as a reference point to help you define punk, however. You might want to look elsewhere). As far as I know, DIY means Do It Yourself. I have much to say about Tailgate's typographically-error-ridden "piece", like that perhaps this entire paper was tagged under "bad journalism" for a very good reason. No, not perhaps. It was. But I'd much rather explain to you that Screaming Females obviously always have and always will care about DIY. All music (including their most recent album), lyrics, merchandising, fliers, promotion, and even artwork, are done by Screaming Females. In every interview they do, they bring up DIY and the New Brunswick scene that they came from. They don't attempt to egotistically promote themselves or "where they are now". They didn't accept some major label record contract and agree to change their "image", or pay some cheesy up-and-coming director to design a video for them to play on MTV. They didn't even get paid to play on MTV. They didn't beg Dead Weather to get on their show. They played live on TV, and they played some shows with a band on tour. That's it. What about any of that gives you any indication, or basis for a logical argument, that they don't care about DIY? Is it the fact that they're being recognized and, because of this, have had to play larger venues to accomodate their fans and are making some money playing on tour? So they're getting paid for their shows and their albums now. Other DIY-ers do their own albums and t-shirts and stickers...and do you know what the intention of making those items is? To sell them. Anyone who does anything themselves with the intention of selling those things is "selling out", and as someone mentioned previously, it is a lame term that really means nothing.

Critiquing a band is not about questioning the bands they played with on tour, or cutting the members of the band down as people--especially THESE people. They're not self-righteous assholes who are concerned with getting drunk, getting laid, making money or getting famous. They're not elitist about choosing bands to play alongside, or where to play. They show up on time, with all of their own equipment, and play a tight show. And as far as bands they've played with, I'm sure, although they shared the stage with a name like Jack White, and people might not like Dead Weather or simply claim not to support any mainstream band, Screaming Females has played alongside shittier bands in shittier venues everywhere in the country. What's the sense of judging who they chose to play with? Do all bands play exclusively with other bands they love? They got paid to play their music. Big deal.

And to say whether they're nice or not and judge them completely on that, on a first impression, is ridiculous as well (Shitface). Since you won't go into detail about how they weren't nice, I can only assume they must not have felated you after you fed them. Come on! They're human. These arguments are inane.

It's offical- Ohio v. NJ yet again. First Tear It Up now Screaming Females. Love it.

yeah geez, these nj people are pissed. I'll stop shit talking your favorite indy band, just get off our punk forum : )

wait there from jersey?!
white belt wearing ...........
GAS FACE STILL.

the one thing i feel from jersey is necroharmonic.
oh and the first three waking the cadaver slaps....so what is that four things.
cool

oh yeah and all those orange colored girls that party on the shore. that the best thin to come out of jersey.

Seconded on Necroharmonic, orange women and use of the gas face.

This thread got awesome so quick.

Mickey wrote:ene, reveal yourself.

the band is bullshit. they don't care about diy anymore (and they probably never did considering where they are now, honestly i think they leeched off our scene), nor do they need it. therefore they should not play the legion anymore. but yeah it's totally up to the people that live there, that's just my opinion.

where on earth do you think they "are now"? do you fucking live in reality?

also, really good point about them leeching off of your scene. i guess its true what they say: today the columbus basement social circle, tomorrow the world. i guess i would be really defensive and worried about this kind of thing too if i had a scene like yours that springboarded so many of the huge acts of today to the top where they are now. id probably feel kinda used myself.

Speaking of which, I really think it's time to stop supporting Brian D and his pathetic attempt at a fanzine now that its gotten lots of attention. he doesnt really care about diy and is just using you guys as a base from which to build his media empire.

weed steeler (m.) wrote:wait there from jersey?!
white belt wearing ...........
GAS FACE STILL.

the one thing i feel from jersey is necroharmonic.
oh and the first three waking the cadaver slaps....so what is that four things.
cool

oh yeah and all those orange colored girls that party on the shore. that the best thin to come out of jersey.

yeah...i mean, its certainly no columbus ohio...

the fanzine is another form of old media that will die soon enough.
dont worry your pretty little heads about it.

CHEESEMANnj wrote:DOODER P TAILGAIT MCTRASHINGTON,

HOW OLD R U ANYWAY? WHEN WAS YOUR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION? LAST MAY?

YOU R SHIT TALKING PEOPLE YOU DONT EVEN FUKKIN KNOW

U REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE

AND STOP SAYING PUNK SO MUCH

THEY'RE NOT EVEN A FUCKING PUNK BAND!

AND THEY ARE THREE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE YOU'LL EVER MEET

UNLIKE YOU. YOU FUCKKIN SUCK.

YOU ARE A TOOL.

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING.

<3 ALL OF NEW JERSEY

P.S. PLEASE STOP GOING TO SHOWS OR HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA UMAD

p.s. "fuckin'" only has one k in it.

anyone see that thing on mtv about psychedelic horseshit and times new viking spearheading the columbus "lo fi" scene? way more embarrassing than some crappy band being asked to open up for another crappy band.

the only thing jersey is good for is collecting all the washed up garbage that new york didn't have room for

ene wrote:
where on earth do you think they "are now"? do you fucking live in reality?

yeah, I actually book, host and play shows in this town. How's that for realness?

Also, I meant their status as a band, which I think is hard to define but not really diy anymore. Sure, they might book all their shows themselves, do their art themselves, record their own music, etc but think about the other end of diy which is all of the people who booked their shows, let them stay at their house, cooked them food, made their fliers, etc. That band would not be anywhere without those people despite their talent.

ene wrote:pathetic attempt at a fanzine now

Ene, I heard you've been asked to write for the zine now, I'm really looking forward to you shedding some knowledge. Way to be spineless and not give away who you are on our board.

It's the soul of a band that matters to me, not if they follow every little "accepted" DIY rule. If a band only plays collective spaces and only releases their own stuff, but every other aspect of their lives is handed over to corporate culture, how is that any better? Ok, you're playing houses but drinking Coca-Cola and wearing brand new Nikes and playing out of a new amplifier that was made under slave labor conditions...how is that DIY? Who gives a fuck if you're playing a DIY band, that doesn't help anyone...especially those of us that have to see your shitty band screaming empty political lyrics. My point is that this shit isn't black and white. I'm here for inspiration and the exchange of ideas (among other things), not to try to be the most perfect person in the world. Not to say that I don't hold bands accountable or write bands off for shit they do/say, but just because this band plays some shows with a corporate band, doesn't automatically mean to me that they are worthless and should no longer be taken seriously. I don't really give a shit about SF, or know very much about them, but just wanted to put my 2 cents in...obviously the issues being talked about are larger than them.

Swordheaven toured with Skinny Puppy, I will play with or put on a show for Swordheaven any fucking time. Skinny Puppy, however, I will not.

Also, I don't care if someone is really nice to me, not everyone is outgoing or super nice. Sure I try to be nice as possible and generally like it when people are nice, but it's not always relevant or necessary. I want to see a band kick ass and inspire me, it's not all about being nice, to me. The singer/guitarist was pretty stand off-ish to me as well, but I don't care...that's just how some people are. It doesn't always mean that they are assholes.

Also, these people getting all pissed about SF being criticized....get a life, who cares, if you're in a band people are going to criticize you, especially if your band draws any attention. Sure debate the issues, that's great, and often fun, as far as I am concerned...but really, no need to have a hissy fit.

I have never heard of the Screaming Females. Maybe they are jerks, maybe they are not... but something I am noticing after just joining this message board and trying to become a more active participant in the Columbus DIY scene is that this city's DIY culture is heavily fixed on music. What else are we doing for ourselves other than making fun of other peoples bands??

I really didn't like the "Racism Sells Weird Food Americans wouldn't Normally Eat" article... although I appreciate the point that it is making, I found the use of racial stereotypes (although drenched will sarcasm) still offensive.

Otherwise, I like the magazine, I am happy that this magazine exists... in fact I hope to contribute to it in some way in the near future.

the DIY scene here is very focused on the music, the expression, the artistic, passion part of it. Frankly, I am happy for this, the Columbus DIY music scene used to be highly political, to the point where the musical expressionistic aspect of it came second, and in my opinion, it wasn't fun or inspiring. It attracted lots of "college activist" types that were more interested in showing how radical they were...there was an atmosphere of competition and back stabbing. I for one, hated it...even though I consider myself a political person.

You will still see some punk based things happen, like benefits, workshops, speakers, art shows, etc, but for the most part, action type stuff happens in the larger activist community where those types of goals are more focused and can accomodate all kinds of people interested in the same polical end....punks, anarchists, hippies, middle of the road democrats, etc. When you get down to it, punk here is about the music and expression, and lots of different kinds of people are involved in it, from political people to people that are just there because they are misfits...and I love it.

Cheers. Music and expression are fabulous ways of bonding people to each other and sharing ideas. I agree with you whole heartedly and much prefer it to the political pissing contest.

What I am more interested in is re-skilling, helping people actually do things for themselves and detach from the corporate teet... $$$! Maybe this is already thriving in Columbus and I just haven't found it, or maybe it is in need of a little nudge to get going. I guess I am curious to see if CSBYS is the right venue for me to try and nudge... if not, then cool. I will keep loving the abundant and beautiful expression that is oozing from it and create a new outlet.